Moreover, putting the job listings on a separate list would detract from
the process. Some recruiter-recruitee connections are made by third
persons who happen to become aware of a job and happen to know of an
interested job seeker. Putting job postings on a separate list would
remove them from these third persons.
As to what is appropriate for posting on this list: Anything that one
would expect to hear in the halls, conference rooms and restaurants at a
PIUG Conference should be considered appropriate for this list - for
this list is merely an extension of that community.
Alan
Kozelka, Diane Marie wrote:
I agree with previous assessments, that there is no need for a separate
database of job postings. I have so little time to read all the emails
that
I receive every day. I, for one, do not have time to go a separate job
board every day, especially since the jobs available to us are few and
far
between. I want to see the job postings on the regular PIUG list.
Persons
that wish to have a searchable database can copy the few job postings
(that
we do get) and paste them into Word or some other searchable software.
Diane Kozelka
Sr. Technical Information Specialist
Sandia National Laboratories
Albuquerque, NM
505/284-3280
505/844-3143 FAX
dmkozel@sandia.gov <mailto:dmkozel@sandia.gov>
-----Original Message-----
From: Turner, Elyse [ mailto:elyse_turner@MERCK.COM
<mailto:elyse_turner@MERCK.COM> ]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2
9, 2002 8:41 AM
To: 'Hayden, Damian'; 'Reiner Michael'
Cc: ' piug-l@derwent.co.uk <mailto:piug-l@derwent.co.uk> '
Subject: RE: Job posting
Damian,
I don't know what Michael envisioned, but I envisioned two PIUG
Discussion
Lists that all of us could be subscribed to: one for discussion, one for
job
postings. This would not change the playing field as far as I can see.
As for the searching, that has to do with an archive and should have the
same access as the current archive. Again, should have no change to the
playing field.
But all of this is hypothetical because I do not know how to do such
things.
However, I think the current PIUG Discussion List is pretty good so I
plan
to use the same philosophy I used to work with Sandra Unger to develop
the
current list for any future developments. I will keep your comments in
mind.
Thank you.
Elyse
Ely
se D. Robinson Turner - Sr. Information Scientist
Patent Department, Merck & Co., Inc. RY 60-35
732-594-6418 [Mon+Tues+Fri] 215-757-2555 [Wed+Thurs]
elyse_turner@merck.com <mailto:elyse_turner@merck.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Hayden, Damian [ mailto:Damian_Hayden@chiron.com
<mailto:Damian_Hayden@chiron.com> ]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:39 PM
To: 'Reiner Michael'
Cc: ' piug-l@derwent.co.uk <mailto:piug-l@derwent.co.uk> '
Subject: RE: Job posting
Michael,
Your call for a job postings database has been answered only in the
negative, albeit politely. PIUG readers should know you now as someone
who
doesn't listen to the advice of his colleagues. Or suspect you as
someone
with an ulterior motive.
Aside from the many aspects of convenience mentioned already by
others in
this discussion thread, there is the added value of democratizing the
job
search process that an email list enables. Anyone can post a job that
is
accessible to all potentially interested parties at the same time. To
change this is to give an advantage to one potential headhunter, the
'job
postings administrator'. Is this your real motive? Recruiter postings
are
an important part of the PIUG list, so it would be a shame to unlevel
the
playing field. Whatever your answer, an introduction about yourself
would
be welcome.
- Damian
Damian Hayden
Sr. Information Specialist
Chiron Corp
dhayden@chiron.com <mailto:dhayden@chiron.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Reiner Michael [ mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com
<mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com> ]
Sent: Monday, October
28, 2002 4:53 PM
To: Diane Dekany; Lambert, Nancy (NELA); Turner, Elyse
Cc: ' piug-l@derwent.co.uk <mailto:piug-l@derwent.co.uk> '
Subject: RE: Job posting
Well let's try it. Can we at least do that? I would
like to think of our job postings more than just
"Nigerian Scams"
--- Diane Dekany <mailto:diane.dekany@sopheon.com>
<diane.dekany@sopheon.com> wrote:
I think things are fine the way they are. It's not
like there are dozens of
job listings that come through this listserv.
If someone (Michael or whoever) wants to go to the
trouble of creating and
administering and managing a job board, then more
power to you ... but I
don't see the point of changing something that most
of us hadn't thought was
"broken".
-----Original Message-----
From: Reiner Michael
[ mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com <mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com> ]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:44 PM
To: Lambert, Nancy (NELA); Turner, Elyse
Cc: ' piug-l@derwent.co.uk <mailto:piug-l@derwent.co.uk> '
Subject: RE: Job posting
Nancy,
First I think it would give people an opportunity to
search for specific criteria related to the job.
Secondly, I would be willing to administer th
is and
I'll give a proposal to Elyse in the next few days
to
do this.
I think the added value would be beneficial to all
members.
Change is good Nancy!
Michael
--- "Lambert, Nancy (NELA)" <mailto:NELA@chevrontexaco.com>
<NELA@chevrontexaco.com>
wrote:
Do we really want a separate job posting board?
It
occurs to me that this
might be a major pain in the neck. It would have
to
be set up and
maintained (probably to the considerable annoyance
of our hosts at Derwent
and Chemical Abstracts), and people would have to
remember to go to it
separately to see job postings.
This seems to be to be rather a tempest in a
teapot.
If the PIUG discussion
list were glutted with job postings, I could
understand the fuss; but it
averages about one posting per week. No one else
has found this worth
complaining about. They are harvested monthly and
added to the job postings
archive on the PIUG Web site, where they are
accessible retroactively.
The process seems to work well. It's not broken
--why create more work, and possibly a worse process, trying to fix it?
Nancy Lambert nela@chevrontexaco.com <mailto:nela@chevrontexaco.com> 510-242-3161
-----Original Message----- From: Reiner Michael [ mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com <mailto:michael_reiner@yahoo.com> ] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:50 AM To: Turner, Elyse Cc: ' piug-l@derwent.co.uk <mailto:piug-l@derwent.co.uk> ' Subject: RE: Job posting
Elyse,
In matter of fact I do. I think it would be a
great
addition to this board.
What do you think?
Michael
--- "Turner, Elyse" <mailto:elyse_turner@MERCK.COM> <elyse_turner@MERCK.COM>
wrote:
Michael, Do you have any experience creating a job
posting
board? If not, do you know of anyone who does? Thanks, Elyse
Elyse D. Robinson Turner - Sr. Information
Scientist
Patent Department, Merck & Co., Inc. RY 60-35 732-594-6418 [Mon+Tues+Fri] 215-757-2555 [Wed+Thurs] elyse_turner@merck.com <mailto:elyse_turner@merck.com>
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